Players who does not respect rules, have bad language, etc

[stibra]

Hi all,

Any ideas about how to reduce bad behaviour on virtual water from some players? Some of them break the rules all the time with explanation that SS5.1 have no rules, so they can sail and play this game like car crashing game, so they do not care.
One of their interest is to collect the points, and it is all about that. They will do anything, crashing in other boats, just to try to win the game. Usually they are using rude language if anyone warns them about rules.

Maybe it would be good idea to reset their score back to 0 when more people report constant behaviour like that from some players.

Mostly those players are kids who maybe sailed little in Optimist.

[Marcel IPR]

I totaly agree!

Some players are new to sailing and really want to learn. The listen and understand that rules are there and need to be obeyed. That's no problem of course. Everyone needs to learn and the more sailors the better!
Other players seem to be used to shooting games or crash an run games and think that SS is another one of those games. They do not obey any rules and don't seem to be willing to. That's not ok, because it spoils the fun for the real sailors.

I second stibra in his question. I have however no idea how to implement this...

Anyone any good ideas?

[stibra]

I have one idea that could be implemened:
- information screen during entrance to multiplayer race with info about rules, where to get them, fundamental rules, etc
- racing rules instructions in the game in tutorial part - few animations about basic rules and sportmanship

Also it would be cool to organize once a month racing rules seminars on the Scentec Web Site. Maybe Jos could be interested in that? He is cool guy, check his web: http://rrsstudy.blogspot.com/

There is great free platform for live video streaming: www.livestream.com
It is possible to use software like TSS, audio and video from the Sail Simulator to illustrate some rules.

I have been doing similiar stuff for some players in Virtual Skipper community in Croatia.

[Admiral]

In open un-protected races this behaviour is seen everywhere, being anonymous and with no material harm or injury caused, some will use any means to reach their goal (whatever that may be).

AFAIK a Sail Sim player needs to know how to sail, hence (I suggest) knows stuff like SB vs Port and Leeward vs Luvward.. and basically would respect at least those rules,
at least try and avoid a collision at all time..

The only possible remedy to educate respect for rules is to take the award for misbehaviour away.
Either by removing misbehaving skippers from races and or results, by some kick function in open races, or much easier don't let them participate in closed (password protected) races. Teaching rules offering courses is only useful for those who tend to respect them. IMHO the misbehaving skipper are not the ones that tend to respect....
No matter what is done there will be cheating, utilising game behaviour to gain "advantage".

I suggest to go and look for a group of skipper you trust and feel comfortable with, and of whom you may expect that they will at least try to respect rules and even are wiling to learn them. With the upcoming Outboard powered Rib real live umpires could judge in races. I intend to try that our as soon as we get there. If we could get J. Spijkerman or other International Umpire interested that would be nice.. should be a novelty for them too to conduct a complete race in 10 - 20 minutes.. and who knows some already may be under way, but have not identified themselfes..

Cheers.

[Chride83]

I also totally agree on this matter.

I've been playing Sail Simulator 2010 for just about a month online now (mostly on Laser regattas and one disasterous 470 race ) and even though I have a very meager understanding of racing rules (I've sailed Lasers in real-life for about 15 years, but never raced), I DO try to implement the rules I know in my races. Simply because obeying these rules (whether they are implemented in SS 2010 or not) is a huge part of racing. I agree, sometimes I might get confused and ram into another racer, but this is never done on purpose or to gain. I feel though that there are players, like stilba said, who have no limits as to what they'll do to collect points.

I understand that implementing harsh sanctions on players who break the rules constantly can be hard since there aren't really any moderators in the races and players who break them would, as said before, probably break them anyways. But I do think for instance, that a short info screen at start-up would eliminate atleast those players that want to learn but don't really know where to find the necessary data.

[frow3n]

Hi all,
I think Sail Simulator should enable quick chat, so that you can call, Starboard, Water, ect. because while sailing today I couldn't steer while calling water.

[aka_dino]

Hi all, I understand concerns over the rules and would just like to point out that new players may also be learning the rules as they go. We can't assume that everyone has the same knowledge or skill level and while it may be frustrating, we must make consideration for this. However, on the subject of rule breaking, I recently had a confrontation with a very highly ranked player who blatantly would not give room at the mark and then had the cheek to call a protest accusing me of hitting the mark. He protested texting a 'p' to which I responded with the text '?' He then left the game and rejoined down course to deliberately obstruct my progress. If this childish example is demonstrated by a high ranking, seasoned player, what can you expect from new players who will accept this as normal? The player knows who he is - shame on you for being a liar and a cheat!

[Antistene]

Who is this player?

[aka_dino]

His ID does not matter - he and I both know who he is.

[GJ_NED]

... He then left the game and rejoined down course to deliberately obstruct my progress...

I have seen this happening too. Really irritating behaviour!

[mistral]

Dear AKA,
I have understand that you talk about me, so, i want to explain to you that,I have quite other vision of the facts
You arrived under my committed wind at mark, I left you suffisant water
On the other side, you did not adjust your boat immediately (as the isaf rules say...) in the precipitation of the jibing and refused my loff
I wrote on the chat "P" for this reason
If you got touched the mark, furthermore reason (and i don't saw that...)
For the method of comprénsion you continued by answering "?"
Next time you'll see to understand, some different and radical methods, cause i know the ISAF rules, and i sail always in the rules.
At the end, i want to say to you that when 2 boats are near in difficult situations, the rules are most important and when rule is no respected change end of race.
Sorry but is so easy say on the tchat: ?? and finish the race.

Sorry for my nervous method but you understand my say.

Thierry

[aka_dino]

[color=#FF0000]Thierry (Mistral)

1. At no point have I mentioned your identity, so no I haven't talked about you. But as you have identified yourself - lets proceed.
2. You made absolutely no effort to give room at the mark so much so that it was necessary for me to pass the mark touching your leeward rail.
3. A fin keel yacht turns about its keel, it is impossible for a yacht to expedite a turn to leeward with a yacht touching its windward rear quarter. If you had given appropriate room - it would have been possible for me to round the mark immediately - unimpeded!

My opinion is that you just didn't like the superior speed of a very new player and me making the mark despite your best efforts to block me in an unsportsman like manner!

Protests and rules aside, What justification do you have for you throwing a tantrum and deliberately blocking another players progress? ( Unless of course I somehow made you leave the game and re-enter down course steering directly at, and hitting, my yacht - many times! ) Or perhaps this tactic is in the ISAF Racing Rules when it suits you!

Bad form Mistral - very bad form!